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		<title>By: SavedByGrace</title>
		<link>http://www.arcadiahousingblog.com/2008/03/11/the-foreigner-rescue-scenario/comment-page-1/#comment-2607</link>
		<dc:creator>SavedByGrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...the demand of wealthy buyers from the PRC will likely continue to support Arcadia’s astronomical real estate prices.&quot;

Last I checked, prices in Arcadia have dropped from the peaks in 2006/2007 so they are not holding up the prices. I don&#039;t argue that easy money from the far East was used to purchase McMansions in the SGV, but I would argue that that buyer group alone will not be able to sustain these ridiculous RE prices. The bubble may have contributions from these corrupt nouveaux rich folks from Asia, but it was mainly fueled by RE purchases from every buyer group across all social and economic lines. That was made possible by the lax lending standards and now that is removed, so has the buyer pool that benefited from it in years past. 

On a side note, if what you say will happen (i.e. corrupt rich Asians buying up most of the Arcadia RE inventory to keep prices afloat), then you can count me out of the local buyer pool because I don&#039;t think I&#039;d want them as my neighbors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the demand of wealthy buyers from the PRC will likely continue to support Arcadia’s astronomical real estate prices.&#8221;</p>
<p>Last I checked, prices in Arcadia have dropped from the peaks in 2006/2007 so they are not holding up the prices. I don&#8217;t argue that easy money from the far East was used to purchase McMansions in the SGV, but I would argue that that buyer group alone will not be able to sustain these ridiculous RE prices. The bubble may have contributions from these corrupt nouveaux rich folks from Asia, but it was mainly fueled by RE purchases from every buyer group across all social and economic lines. That was made possible by the lax lending standards and now that is removed, so has the buyer pool that benefited from it in years past. </p>
<p>On a side note, if what you say will happen (i.e. corrupt rich Asians buying up most of the Arcadia RE inventory to keep prices afloat), then you can count me out of the local buyer pool because I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d want them as my neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: T K Eng</title>
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		<dc:creator>T K Eng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 01:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Cancerdoc, I hate to say this but contrary to what you said, many of the recent immigrants from China are flush with cash (and care little about value or bargain). I have personally witnessed the increased $$$ from the PRC over the last 12 years-and yes-what you read about in Wall Street Journal is true, China&#039;s economy is flying high-for now. While the majority of the Chinese are still fairly poor compared with the rest of the world, there is a growing minority, numbering in the millions, that are becoming filthy rich by profiting off of China&#039;s cheap labor, lax regulation, corruption, and rampant nepotism/cronyism, etc. Quite a few of these individuals aspire to send their children to the West, or simply have a home in places like Arcadia as a status symbol. I believe in the past 10 years, much of the $$$ flowing into SGV real estate are directly from the PRC. I would guess the majority of the McMansion buyers in Arcadia are the nouveaux rich of China-with easy money flowing from corruption and bribes (e.g. coal mine bosses profiting off of public land, or customs officials &#039;taxing&#039; every shipment of goods) 1, 2, or 3 mil USD is really a piece of cake for these guys. Until the PRC&#039;s political/economic system shows some major cracks, which is possible in the foreseeable future in light of the current level of inflation and skyrocketing energy prices, the demand of wealthy buyers from the PRC will likely continue to support Arcadia&#039;s astronomical real estate prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Cancerdoc, I hate to say this but contrary to what you said, many of the recent immigrants from China are flush with cash (and care little about value or bargain). I have personally witnessed the increased $$$ from the PRC over the last 12 years-and yes-what you read about in Wall Street Journal is true, China&#8217;s economy is flying high-for now. While the majority of the Chinese are still fairly poor compared with the rest of the world, there is a growing minority, numbering in the millions, that are becoming filthy rich by profiting off of China&#8217;s cheap labor, lax regulation, corruption, and rampant nepotism/cronyism, etc. Quite a few of these individuals aspire to send their children to the West, or simply have a home in places like Arcadia as a status symbol. I believe in the past 10 years, much of the $$$ flowing into SGV real estate are directly from the PRC. I would guess the majority of the McMansion buyers in Arcadia are the nouveaux rich of China-with easy money flowing from corruption and bribes (e.g. coal mine bosses profiting off of public land, or customs officials &#8216;taxing&#8217; every shipment of goods) 1, 2, or 3 mil USD is really a piece of cake for these guys. Until the PRC&#8217;s political/economic system shows some major cracks, which is possible in the foreseeable future in light of the current level of inflation and skyrocketing energy prices, the demand of wealthy buyers from the PRC will likely continue to support Arcadia&#8217;s astronomical real estate prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Still just another McMansion &#124; Arcadia Housing Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.arcadiahousingblog.com/2008/03/11/the-foreigner-rescue-scenario/comment-page-1/#comment-2592</link>
		<dc:creator>Still just another McMansion &#124; Arcadia Housing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 13:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the sale to go through. There has been a lot of discussion in the comments lately about the Asian rescue scenario and I maintain my position that this phenomenon will not save Arcadia nor any other SGV city.       [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the sale to go through. There has been a lot of discussion in the comments lately about the Asian rescue scenario and I maintain my position that this phenomenon will not save Arcadia nor any other SGV city.       [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SavedbyGrace</title>
		<link>http://www.arcadiahousingblog.com/2008/03/11/the-foreigner-rescue-scenario/comment-page-1/#comment-2531</link>
		<dc:creator>SavedbyGrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Green,

Point well taken. I am Chinese myself and most of my friends are Taiwanese. 

Asians of all descents; whether Chinese, Taiwanese, Cantonese or even Vietnamese, have all argued that Asians will rescue Arcadia and the rest of SGV from this housing crisis.

There is still a large non-Asian community along with existing Asians in the area and people tend to forget that it is the general demographic who will have the largest impact on the local economy. For every McMansion purchased by a foreigner, there will be a dozen condos and starter homes trading hands between low to mid income people earning anywhere from $40-80k per year.

Thanks for stopping by AHB. We appreciate your input and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Green,</p>
<p>Point well taken. I am Chinese myself and most of my friends are Taiwanese. </p>
<p>Asians of all descents; whether Chinese, Taiwanese, Cantonese or even Vietnamese, have all argued that Asians will rescue Arcadia and the rest of SGV from this housing crisis.</p>
<p>There is still a large non-Asian community along with existing Asians in the area and people tend to forget that it is the general demographic who will have the largest impact on the local economy. For every McMansion purchased by a foreigner, there will be a dozen condos and starter homes trading hands between low to mid income people earning anywhere from $40-80k per year.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by AHB. We appreciate your input and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: green</title>
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		<dc:creator>green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 09:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to clarify that these foreigners of Chinese descent don&#039;t include the Taiwanese, who had moved to Arcadia long before this real estate boom happened and before all the Chinese immigrants came in and flooded the land (whether it&#039;s 20 families living in one cramped apartment or wealthy businessmen plunking down cash for mansions). The Taiwanese population is significantly large in Arcadia; if analysis is to be made on residents with Chinese descent, I would appreciate if separate analyses were done for Taiwanese residents (or at least that we can be acknowledged) instead of just lumping us in with the Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to clarify that these foreigners of Chinese descent don&#8217;t include the Taiwanese, who had moved to Arcadia long before this real estate boom happened and before all the Chinese immigrants came in and flooded the land (whether it&#8217;s 20 families living in one cramped apartment or wealthy businessmen plunking down cash for mansions). The Taiwanese population is significantly large in Arcadia; if analysis is to be made on residents with Chinese descent, I would appreciate if separate analyses were done for Taiwanese residents (or at least that we can be acknowledged) instead of just lumping us in with the Chinese.</p>
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		<title>By: SavedbyGrace</title>
		<link>http://www.arcadiahousingblog.com/2008/03/11/the-foreigner-rescue-scenario/comment-page-1/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>SavedbyGrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes everyone is looking for value and with the current prices, there just isn&#039;t any out there right now. I agree - that applies to all sorts of buyers, Asian or foreign or not. 

Hmmm...there is a prison up in Lancaster. Want to live there? Haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes everyone is looking for value and with the current prices, there just isn&#8217;t any out there right now. I agree &#8211; that applies to all sorts of buyers, Asian or foreign or not. </p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230;there is a prison up in Lancaster. Want to live there? Haha</p>
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		<title>By: SparklingWater</title>
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		<dc:creator>SparklingWater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just located Lancaster - it&#039;s quite far north! What&#039;s up there?

I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a debate, at least none from my side. I was saying that CancerDoc need not worry that the general population will misunderstand all Asians to automatically equal to foreigners. I also said the concept of Foreign Rescue/Money was exaggerated by those trying to keep demands high and while it is true for a handful of instances, it&#039;s more of an exception rather than the rule. Here&#039;s the point where I&#039;d debate. I don&#039;t think it would prove anything to compare working class, albeit educated with BAs, MAs and even PhDs, ABCs versus (educated) foreign born Chinese. Both parties are looking for value and at no time did I imply the foreign born would have more or less money than the ABCs. I hope that clears it.

Jet Li moved to Beverly Hills several years ago and may have moved further West to Brentwood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just located Lancaster &#8211; it&#8217;s quite far north! What&#8217;s up there?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a debate, at least none from my side. I was saying that CancerDoc need not worry that the general population will misunderstand all Asians to automatically equal to foreigners. I also said the concept of Foreign Rescue/Money was exaggerated by those trying to keep demands high and while it is true for a handful of instances, it&#8217;s more of an exception rather than the rule. Here&#8217;s the point where I&#8217;d debate. I don&#8217;t think it would prove anything to compare working class, albeit educated with BAs, MAs and even PhDs, ABCs versus (educated) foreign born Chinese. Both parties are looking for value and at no time did I imply the foreign born would have more or less money than the ABCs. I hope that clears it.</p>
<p>Jet Li moved to Beverly Hills several years ago and may have moved further West to Brentwood.</p>
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		<title>By: SavedbyGrace</title>
		<link>http://www.arcadiahousingblog.com/2008/03/11/the-foreigner-rescue-scenario/comment-page-1/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>SavedbyGrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be at fault for this debate since I did not specifically define in the article what &quot;foreigner&quot; I was refering to. When I wrote this post, I was thinking of the (relatively) new influx of foreign money from Asia. Perhaps I should have said foreign-money rescue scenario instead of foreigner rescue scenario. My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be at fault for this debate since I did not specifically define in the article what &#8220;foreigner&#8221; I was refering to. When I wrote this post, I was thinking of the (relatively) new influx of foreign money from Asia. Perhaps I should have said foreign-money rescue scenario instead of foreigner rescue scenario. My apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: CancerDoc</title>
		<link>http://www.arcadiahousingblog.com/2008/03/11/the-foreigner-rescue-scenario/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>CancerDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SparklingWater: My point was that just because someone is Asian doesn&#039;t make them a foreigner.  

UCLA did a profile of Asians in Calif about 3 years ago. Approx 65% of Asians are foreign born. So approx 65% of 75% of 45% of Arcadians are foreign born. 

Now of that population, how many of them are truly foreigners? Take my parents. They&#039;re both foreign born, but both have been in this country for over 40 years. They&#039;ve both lived in the US far longer than they had in Asia.

Also roughly 20 to 25% of US born Asians hold degrees beyond a BA or BS. Are you going to tell me that there are many foreigners to have more money or a higher net worth than my ABC friends? I think not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SparklingWater: My point was that just because someone is Asian doesn&#8217;t make them a foreigner.  </p>
<p>UCLA did a profile of Asians in Calif about 3 years ago. Approx 65% of Asians are foreign born. So approx 65% of 75% of 45% of Arcadians are foreign born. </p>
<p>Now of that population, how many of them are truly foreigners? Take my parents. They&#8217;re both foreign born, but both have been in this country for over 40 years. They&#8217;ve both lived in the US far longer than they had in Asia.</p>
<p>Also roughly 20 to 25% of US born Asians hold degrees beyond a BA or BS. Are you going to tell me that there are many foreigners to have more money or a higher net worth than my ABC friends? I think not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SavedbyGrace</title>
		<link>http://www.arcadiahousingblog.com/2008/03/11/the-foreigner-rescue-scenario/comment-page-1/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>SavedbyGrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>East West Bank, United Commericla Bank, Tomato Bank...the list goes on! Who in the world came up with the name Tomato Bank anyways haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>East West Bank, United Commericla Bank, Tomato Bank&#8230;the list goes on! Who in the world came up with the name Tomato Bank anyways haha</p>
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